After about two years of reported breakup, new developments have emerged in Taylor Swift and The 1975’s Matty Healy’s speculated past romance. Sources placed the blame for the split on Swift, with Healy’s mother,

To rewind real fast, Andy Cohen asked Matty's mom, Denise Welch, about The Tortured Poets Department, which is thought to be—at least in part—about Taylor's relationship with Matty. And for some reason Denise felt the need to respond to the question like this:

Yikes! The audience was audibly shocked by the extreme shade from Matty Healy’s mom, and perhaps out of concern of incurring the wrath of the Swifties, Denise Welch quickly added: Not that I have anything against her at all. It was just — it was tricky.